Answering the call of your Purpose with Joyce van der Lely
Full transcript of call
Luanne: And we are live! So welcome everybody to the podcast Answering the Call of your Purpose, I’m Luanne Mareen and basically for those who are new to watching this, this is about bringing on inspirational people who have heard the call of their Purpose and then answered it and doing amazing work in the world supporting others.
So today I have the beautiful Joyce van der Lely and I love your website, so the name is “The Artemis” right?
Joyce: Absolutely yes
Luanne: And so we’re just going to jump straight in! First of all I want to say that you’re living in a beautiful part of the world, my homeland New Zealand at the moment but you’re not from there originally. What are you doing right now? What are you doing in the world right now?
Joyce: So I am a multi-passionate person and I love to include many things in my life, in what I do and the things because I am a very curious person. So I’m an artist. That’s the main thing first and foremost I’m an artist. I create things, I create my life, I create tangible things. I’m a visual artist, I like to play, I like to have fun so what I do now is, I constantly try to find ways where I can incorporate as many of those aspects into my life and into my work because I think I believe life and work are all connected. So for me at least my life is my work, my work is my life. It goes like that so I’m an artist, I teach and help women. I work mostly with women to find their freedom in their expression and that has been if I look back at what I’ve done in my life previously and the challenges that I’ve encountered, and the things that threw me off my path and what we brought me back and stuff, the one core line, the core of the rope that I’m holding so to speak, it’s always been freedom… personal freedom. Freedom to be able to choose what you do when you do it where and how and freedom of expression in as many ways as you can think of. That is always the core driving force behind anything that I’m looking for but also the things that I do and that I help others with.
Luanne: I love that and when you say freedom, I just light up because that’s one of my core values… freedom and it’s interesting in these times when we were just chatting offline before you know of lockdowns and things like that. That’s not where I want to go with this but that is kind of like where’s our freedom? But your expression I may be looking in your background there The Artist, right? The Alchemist and it’s just beautiful beauty and like you said, it is tangible but what led you to where you are today?
I always like to say where’s the story, we always have our breakdown before our breakthrough right? So yeah being this amazing artist helping women, you claim back their freedom?
Joyce: Yes as you said, I am not originally from New Zealand. I actually was born and grew up on the other side of the world, completely the other side of the globe in Holland, in The Netherlands. I’ve always been curious. I’ve always been adventurous and so I loved traveling and seeing so many other places in the world really made me feel like I wanted to. I felt cold to leave, I mean it’s sometimes you don’t always exactly understand why because I had a lovely family and there were no reasons I needed to flee or escape. It was just this feeling like I really wanted to experience or be in another place than where I was growing up or had been growing up and so I moved away and went to New Zealand.
Luanne: You know way are the opposite side right?
Joyce: Yeah how far away can you go right? But yeah, there were different reasons. I tried to make sense of it all and there are explanations why I chose New Zealand and things like that which makes sense or not it doesn’t really matter. I ended up being on the other side of the globe with no family support just my partner and I and we built up our new life in the new country and we even had two kids and then earthquakes happened because I lived in Christchurch on the South Island and so yeah.
So the earthquake experience probably was the biggest “aha” moment. There were little signs before. There were little signs before that when… so I “escaped” Europe. I know I meant to say I escaped the rat race of Western Europe basically. Having traveled and seen other places and really other places like I’ve been to Africa, South America… so many other places in the world where life is completely different. Where the pace of life is different, the focus of life is different and so that was one of the reasons why every time I came back to Europe, it was like call this “mad house” and so in New Zealand, it was quieter because just it’s a bigger country with less people but somehow I built a new life for myself running in the same little hamster wheel which is silly and there were little signs on the way but I never really stopped to think and feel that feel them. I sort of ignored them and pushed through and so the earthquakes were a huge pattern interrupt like an immediate boom.
I mean literally stop, look, think what are you doing? So I now can look at that experience as having been a good one for me because it made me stop, it made me reevaluate my life, the things I was doing. How I was doing things, why I was doing things and all that. It changed everything really.
Luanne: It’s so interesting because I mean, I am from New Zealand but I’ve actually spent half my life, I’m now in Melbourne Australia. So it’s like there are similarities and culture but it is like when you say “New Zealand’s quieter” it is a slower pace but we can actually just go into the same pattern right? I do kind of miss that. But then where are you now? Are you not in Christchurch anymore?
Joyce: No, so initially I stayed in the south. I stayed in Christchurch and tried to make sense of it all and see how I could rebuild… I felt loyal to the place because that was my home away from home, that was where the kids were born and I like to feel connected to a place so I thought I didn’t really feel like going away. I mean I had a lot of acquaintances and friends that actually fled the city that were scared and uprooted their family and just left. I know people that went to other places in New Zealand, I know people… they just hopped in the car and started driving, other people that decided to go back to the country that they originally were from another family that now lives in Canada… there were so many different reactions that people have. Initially we decided to stay and try to make it work but the red tape and the earthquake commissions and all that and we had lost too much to sustain us any longer. We needed to make a decision and so I knew some people here in the bay of plenty and wow yeah and after another load of aftershocks that were pretty bad, we decided to visit them because she kept inviting me and saying “hey if you need a break come and stay with us”. So in the end, we did go and visit with them and it’s like why would we even go back?
I had no immediate family here anyway so there wasn’t anything that kept us there. So after we had visited them here we went back and basically packed up whatever we had left over and just thought well shut the door, leave whatever has happened behind and focus on the future. Cut our losses, basically cut our losses because we were done with fighting with the insurance companies and earthquake commissions. I mean I have friends who just started in her house last year and that was like 10 years ago.
Luanne: I had a friend who, she’s from New Zealand then she moved here and then her and her partner went back and they settled in Christchurch and then the earthquakes happened after a few years they were there and she just left everything and came back here and now up the Sunshine Coast so, I mean basically like you just left everything it was like no start again because…
Joyce: Well you can keep staying there. It just doesn’t do a lot of good for your emotional health and your physical health even. There are a lot of people that had to start taking medication to keep their mental state calm. And so I thought there are other ways and I’ve always had my art. So I’ve always had my art to escape into.
Luanne: Yeah that will take us into our next thing right? So then, what the question is, what do you believe is your Purpose? Now I hear ask like what do you think your Purpose is?
Joyce: I believe that my Purpose is to help. So now having experienced these earthquakes and how I came through it and how others noticed what I was doing because that’s the thing, I never saw what my art was. My expression, what that did for me. I always just took it for granted really. But when the earthquakes had happened in my little neighborhood, there’s so many places that were red stickered which meant that I was close to where all the boulders fell off the hills and so a lot of houses were evacuated and stuff but they were there were families and mothers that I had come to know and they said “Joyce what are you doing? You stay so calm and you don’t even have any family support, immediate support here. You guys are just alone, you’ve lost so much. How do you stay calm? I’m like beyond myself and I’m panicky” and I said “I don’t know. I just do this”. And then I showed them what I did. I journaled it out basically I just expressed my sorrows, my worries, my fears, my whatever emotions came through me. I just let them come through and express them through my art journaling and then they became safe containers for the things that others were carrying around basically if you visualize it in their backpack.
So I could release that through my creative expression and then move on, move forward and that probably is also the reason why it was easier for us as a family to decide, to move and cut our losses and just go. Some people, it comes more natural and others need to learn. I think you can learn it because I have helped other women do it because you can get to these kinds of… I mean, I experienced earthquakes. Others experience other reasons why their life feels like it’s all fallen to pieces but the process is similar and also that’s why when the pandemic started, it felt like a little bit of a deja vu felt. It’s different because the whole world is experiencing it but it felt similar in so many ways. Once you find that calm inner core within yourself and that you can get through things because you have tools that you can use and that you don’t rely on others. You don’t have to rely on others, you can pull from those forces, from those superpowers. It’s your own personal medicine
So what I do with the women that I work with is find their personal toolkit. We work through different things in different ways and I give them the experience of how I do things and other ways that I know you can creatively express yourself but they might not all work for me. I have like ten and I personally may only use one but there are nine others that I know how to use and that I can have help others taste experience and see how… I feel like a weaver. We weave together this magic carpet that works for you.
Luanne: Would you say that your Purpose is to weave this magic through?
Joyce: I think my Purpose is to inspire and help others create their personal toolkit or personal magic. Their way to come through life and create that feeling of freedom and in self-expression and feeling of worthiness. It all boils down to having a calm inner core. From there, you feel more confident to express yourself freely and because of that, you feel like you are choosing how your life and your work looks like.
Luanne: I love that, I love it!
Joyce: And so whatever storm is going on around me or around you. You know that you have that power within you that you can pull from.
Luanne: You know I totally believe that, Joyce. It’s like we have this power and I think from what I’m hearing is, that beautiful expression because a lot of people will hold all that emotion in, right? And it does no good for us to hold it and we’ve got to bring it out and you create, you teach us these beautiful tools.
Well let’s look at it! Let’s feel it, let’s bring it and let’s clear it right? So how did you answer the call of your Purpose? Like you said, you had all these taps but did you go okay?
Joyce: Yes well, so really I had nothing to lose right? After the earthquakes, when we had lost so much it was okay. So with the remainder of what we had, we packed all our belongings into a container and shipped it on to the North Island and basically we didn’t know what we’re going to do. We had calculated how much money we had, basically to sign it out and at that time, the kids were primary school-aged so I really wanted to settle them first in school and in the new environment.
So yeah I rented a little house and put the kids on to school and then I was like “what are we going to do?”
I don’t know, we’ll have to get used to the new place and see what’s available, what’s there, what’s not there… and we go “I’m going to look for a job” I don’t know, I always been really self employed or had a business of my own and so it was a bit strange. I just started helping out at school really. I just started helping out the teacher at school in my daughter’s class and started talking and she said, “what did you used to do in Christchurch?” and I said, “Well I was teaching art and did art workshops and creative” and she said, “Why aren’t you doing that here?” and I said “Well the house I’m renting is not really suitable for that and all these”. She said, “Hey you want to start just in my classroom here after school?”
So she helped me. Because honestly I didn’t have a lot of finances left over. That was the thing, it was really starting from scratch again. A dirty oily wreck!
Luanne: But what I’m hearing is that it’s like you, it’s the courage that you actually had to move. You know finances weren’t great but you still had that courage and that comes from hearing and answering your call.
Joyce: Yeah! Well I just decided after the earthquakes that I was not going to do anything. I wasn’t gonna accept anything that wouldn’t make me happy. You suddenly realize that our life experience in this body can be limited and it’s not infinite so then, what do you do? I was not prepared to go and take a job just because of what? Couple of dollars? I wanted to do something that made me happy doing what I was doing.
So in the meantime, I was just helping out at school because that was fun. I didn’t have to think much. I was just doing something fun with the kids and this woman was really helpful and nice and we started talking and she became a friend. So she offered her classroom for me to start and I started doing little classes and then I got more and more people inquiring and then I slowly started building up my life and my work again and I found a studio in town. And yeah, it was just believing that it had to be possible for me to find a way to make money by doing only the things that I loved.
Luanne: Yeah so you see that’s so important! I was having a conversation with somebody. It was just a friend and they were quite upset about their job and I’m like, well and then they said, “Well I’m making 250 000 a year. I can’t give that up”. I’m like “Well, what if you could do what you really loved and you only made fifty thousand what would that look like?” Yeah and it’s not even to limit that because to say we’re doing the work and we get paid less we actually get paid more but it’s not just money. It’s the joy which is in your name of course and you had the bread crumbs. You aren’t cool, so then why do you think it’s so important for people to do their Purpose work?
Joyce: Because it actually makes you healthier. When you do things that you love…. So, in the beginning, I and so if this has gone completely to the extreme that I am the sole supporter of my family right? My kids are now teenagers or my son is almost 20. But anyway, and they’re highly creative. My daughter plays piano and violin and trombone and they love art. They’re not the cheapest after school activities. They could have chosen netball or something like that but no, anyway even that’s expensive when they didn’t give, “Oh hi my daughter’s playing netball and they’re beautiful! Oh my goodness” but it’s not really about that.
It’s like, I started teaching. I took on my little studio, the lease on my little studio. We had a conversation at home because of course again we have no family here and we always believe that it would be better for the kids to have one of us home when they come home from school. I’ve never been a believer in shipping up my kids to after-school care and it’s like a thing right?
Luanne: That actually became a thing right?
Joyce: Everybody should go “oh everybody needs to do what they need to do. It’s fine I don’t judge at all. But for me, yeah for me it’s always been like one of us needs to be home for the kids to provide a safe place for them. When I got inquiries to work more and more, I thought “Oh my gosh! How are we going to do this?” So we had a discussion together with my partner and I was like, “What are we going to do?” and he said, “Well I could stay home”, and he loves cooking and things he said, “I could stay home and you could go out and do the work if we can give it a try”. And so we did that and yeah there we are!
Luanne: So when I hear the importance of it… well what else are you going to do right? You know you’re going to maybe be in a job that you don’t really like to pay for a house that you don’t not even end because it’s the mortgage is so high, the kids are in daycare and no judgement but it’s like, we’ve kind of been conditioned to what you were saying at the beginning, this “rat race” it’s like keep going actually….
Joyce: I worked myself to burn out before. So I know what that feels like. So now, I was going to do this. And so in the beginning, I would have people come to my studio and they thought it was my hobby because it’s a bit patriarchal still in New Zealand?
Luanne: Oh just a little bit!
Joyce: Yeah so it was like… oh well they hear my accent is not from New Zealand so they start to ask the questions and then the story comes and then it’s like, “Oh and what does your husband do?” And I go “Well he’s a house husband”. And then you see these faces and it’s almost like they expect you to say “yes” because he’s disabled or something where he’s depressed I don’t know…
Luanne: It’s actually his choice
Joyce: Yeah so it’s a big and then I go no, we’ve reversed roles and so I felt really in the beginning a bit like “oh I have to explain this”… this is wrong. They don’t accept this, that I am the one bringing on the bacon and that is actually at the same time when I started to also do more online work. I started struggling with the feminine and the masculine and because I felt like oh I have to be careful here that I don’t work myself to a burnout again because I’m leaning into this masculine energy so heavily. I need to and luckily I still always had that art; the creative expression because that is more of feminine energy.
But running a business, there’s a lot more masculine and there’s nothing wrong with masculine energy but you need to have it. You need to have it in harmony. You need to and you sometimes swing a little bit more to the feminine and sometimes swing a little bit more to the masculine. But there needs to be this dance, this even sort of give and take and so I felt myself explaining myself away like oh yeah and that just felt so wrong.
So in the beginning, when I started doing my online work, I was very focused on this masculine and feminine energy part. It intrigued me and it was really important for me to find explanations and understanding within myself. The more I do the work because it’s ever evolving and I know you know this too, you’re never done. The more I started delving into what makes me tick, what makes other people tick, how does that fit into society, how do you present yourself, how do you come across to people and because there’s this good girl people-pleasing part as well? So all these fears, all these monsters just pop up, it’s almost like a battle!
Luanne: Yeah I hear you and I think two of the biggest spiritual teachers in our life are having a business and being in a relationship right? So you get to weave all of the massive feminine and I know like definitely, when I’m in the masculine and I do use it for my business but then it’s like “oh the creative part balances it out” like you do so that kind of leads me to and you kind of touch on some of the tools but knowing your Purpose is one thing right?
We can know it’s written down but then embodying it and expressing it is another. And I feel each of us has different tools in that. So could you give an example of one of the tools that you use to express your Purpose? I know it’s art. Art is one of them. Do you do shadow work? Or do you look at this one? What is the thing that you do or one of them and there’s lots but just girls yeah…
Joyce: So definitely their shadow work. Shadow work for me, I always explain it back to artists, creatives who express themselves and this can be visual, artists, painters. They use black and white, darks, highlights and shadows darks and lights to create dynamics in their works of art. Without darkness, there is no work of art because you cannot get that dark and light play. It’s the same for musicians,they have their high tones and their low tones and their combination chords and whatever. It’s a play between a high and low light and dark. It’s always everywhere. The people that are writers, the wordsmiths, they play with words. It’s even a cook in the kitchen; they throw in some spicy stuff in their soup and they put in some cream. It’s a play, it’s always a play.
And that’s why I loved last year when I got this download of… I was looking for a new name right? I had been operating my online work under the fierce female force and this was especially when I was working with that masculine and feminine energy part a lot. I felt like there was a force; there was a female, there was good that was but it was powerful but then I felt like there’s something that is starting to disconnect. I felt it was too strong because I started to dive into my softer goddess; the goddess, the senses and I had this whole conversation at one point with a fellow artist. I said “How is this, I’m a visual artist.” You know somebody that will meet me will say I’m a visual artist because I paint and I sketch an art journal and all that but music is also so important for me.
I said because sometimes I need a certain type of music to accompany my creating. Sometimes when I am creating, I want stillness. There’s this demand for audio as well and also I love playing with words and he said, “Well you’re just sensual” And I thought, “Oh that sounds weird” and I looked at him and I went like “What do you mean i’m sensual?” and he goes “No, but you are connected to all the senses so try to see what comes up when you study them a little bit more.” So I love the alchemy of the difference because I always feel like we’re so layered. We have vision, we have hearing, we have our smell and our touch. I’m tactile as well. I love things that are tactile, there’s so many explanations or examples that I can give. So yes it’s the senses. The shadow works with the senses and again I come back to this weaving of or this twining of a rope. I think we all have that and that is I’m an adventurer. I guide people on their path to their adventure. You know, finding their core threads that are their core rope.
It’s like casting a rope to an anchor. And you have a rope and a rope is all twined up of little bits of thread. So what are the threads that make up your magic cord? And then as I’m talking about that and visualizing that and seeing that I can smell an atmosphere around, I go into a different world. I can go into this different world where I can see what’s going on.
Luanne: And you’re talking about the weaving. Yeah?
Joyce: So when I talk about that, I can just imagine being in a different surroundings. I can smell the air, I can see where I am, it’s twining this rope. It’s like magic, it’s an escape, but it’s also an understanding and a realization and so these are the stories that I take. I think we are storytellers of our own life and it’s always combining things. And as I’m talking about this and twining a rope, I think about that there’s this umbilical cord and there’s an umbilical cord too. It connects us to mother earth and so yes I include now in my work and that’s why I was so excited about the artemis, because this is pure alchemy right? I include the elements because of nature, the mother earth, the air, the water, all that and I include the sensors. And with that, we find the ways of expression that work for you. That’s how I work with my clients. We find what works for you.
Maybe sometimes you’re a bit more inclined to visual expression. Some are more inclined to writing or hearing or all kinds. So we can combine that and at some point in your cycle, even you might lean into more of mother earth and more of the water element, it depends on your life cycle, your menstrual cycle. There are so many things especially for women that are working in the background or underneath. And I think we just need to slow down.
Luanne: Yeah, I love this! If only I could summarize the knowing and the tools, you’re weaving your shadow work but then just answers and then just going silent sometimes.
Joyce: Yeah being silent, reflecting within and embracing what you see and what you encounter and understanding because your shadow is as much part of you as the lighter side. And without your shadow, you wouldn’t be the light side that you may like to use. So you need to understand those shadows.
Luanne: And stop that resistance right? We always think oh it’s bad to think like that. It’s like no, we’re all of it! So I’d love you to share a story of working with one of your favorite clients and the transformation that happened and why?
Joyce: So this client came to me and she was like… you know those little birds that shake a little bit? Like they’re very much drawn away, like not confident at all and doubting every single thing? Everything. From the way she looked, the way she express herself, nothing was good enough.
The funny thing was that she had taken a photo of… there are boulders down south here the moeraki boulders, she had taken a photo and they’re very beautiful! And I saw that photo and I said you should draw those and she completely shot and so she came to this session and I said “what’s wrong?” and she said “Well you know” because I saw that she had posted that photo on her social media and I had commented under it as a positive like “Wow you should paint or sketch these!” and so she came to the session and I said “what’s wrong?” And she said hmmm… I said “Cool and you can tell me anything. It’s okay whatever you say” she said “well you posted that thing underneath my photo?” and I said “yeah” I said I loved that photo. She said yeah but then it came out that it triggered this memory of a teacher in school who had told her that she was so bad at drawing. That she should just stick with drawing stones.
Luanne: Oh my goodness!
Joyce: And I said okay and she said and we have just been working last… because the session before, I had been explaining how beneficial expressing yourself visually can be and I gave her some some tasks to do, to try it out whether that was for her and she said “Oh I cannot draw a line” and I said “no that’s you don’t have to draw a line, you just go and it’s about the process.” So I had given her all that pep talk and so I had expected her to come with some things that she had done and say how it felt for her so we can… because we do. If I work with my clients and we do visual work, we usually start to analyze it afterwards. If we can see whether there’s the medicine in there.
Anyway so that’s what I had expected her to bring and instead she came with this draft face and so this story came out and I said look I said “just let that go” that I loved the photo and that’s why I encouraged you. I said but now we have to work through this. Because this is then one of those triggers that comes up that you don’t know they come out of nothing you know sometimes and that’s the same thing. And that’s something that I really think is important.
They still come up also for me, because even though I’ve done all these years of work now and even though I have done… I’ve studied all the different or not all but a lot of different aspects and I start to understand myself more and more, it still happens. It still happens that something can suddenly trigger you and boom you have to face this monster again.
Luanne: Did she go on and paint the picture?
Joyce: Eventually she did! Eventually she did but it took work to get through this thing that obviously she had been carrying from the time that she went to school, all the way into adulthood. And that was one of the things why she never tried to do any visual expression. So then we started talking about why it was okay for her to take photos because she did love photography and then it was like that, well that’s a machine. Somebody built a machine that can do this.
And so her taking in a pencil or a pen or whatever to draw an image, she couldn’t rely on somebody’s expertise which was the photo camera. You know they’re all kinds…. they’re layers in everybody! it’s amazing! So we did a whole session of just releasing that block, releasing that block and facing this fear and understanding where it came from and why it wasn’t important enough to carry that with her from now on. And now she loves expressing herself visually. It’s not the only thing that she does but she loves that part of working through things through visual expression.
Luanne: So this is one of my favorite parts, it’s like hearing that transformation and my sister… She was the same and these teachers back in the day, so she’s an amazing speaker and in school I think it was probably about 15 she got up and did her speech and he pretty much laughed at her and said “No, you’re never going to be a great speaker” and so she held that for years and years and I’m like, go how dare you? But you’re like the messenger with her. It’s like you didn’t even know it, you just wrote the thing then popped up it came and then it’s up and then you work with it so I love that! Thank you for sharing that!
Yeah SoIi’ve got a couple of more questions here, First of all, I know that you’ve got a kind of a free gift for us and an opt-in so where can we find you? And where can we go to come and see your work and join your email list and you let your inspiration keep coming at us?
Joyce: Well it’s easy! You just go to the artemis.com and you go from there, that’s the easiest one to just start once you find me. So it’s just the artemis, it’s art and alchemist combined.
There’s also Artemis The Goddess, so there’s a little bit of a play with words that again I also love and so the Artemis.com that’s where my art alchemy and creative guidance work. You can find that all there and you go from there. You just sign up for something, you sign up for the newsletter or for the freebie and then we’ll stay in touch and be in that community. My community is all for magical misfits.
Luanne: I love that! So then as we’re ending the interview, it’s been such a joy could I love to, for you to share something about yourself that possibly nobody knows? It could be a funny story or could be just I don’t but can you share with us and maybe your partner knows? All your kids know? But the world in general doesn’t know this about you? What would it be?
Joyce: I’m quite easy. I share things about myself I don’t really mind. So there are quite a few little secrets that I’ve shared over the years about me.
Luanne: I don’t know. Tell us! Because we may know, we don’t know possibly… so I mean one of mine in the past is that I used to own a fish and chip shop right? I own it, it was called “Dean and Lou’s fish and chip shop” in New Zealand and yeah I’m glad that we sold that after nine months but anyway, what about you?
Joyce: what about me? What is a nice story about me? I think I’ll tell you something that is important because if it makes you think like that, it’s certain things about you are not so important… So as I was growing up, I’ve got quite a prominent nose. My best friend had a very small upward pointing nose and at one point we had come into a fight and we started… as girls you can be really nasty and I don’t know who even started whether it was her or me but both of us said something about our noses. Like she said “oh you with your big…” I don’t know there’s a dutch word for a big nose and I said something to her like “are you with your little piggy nose” or whatever so the thing was that afterwards, and we lived very close we lived like two doors away from each other and so afterwards, I used to sit at the table with my hand like that so if somebody was sitting on that side, I would have my hand like this? Somebody was sitting on that side of me,I would have my hand like this because I never wanted to see. I’ve never wanted anybody to see my profile because I thought and every time I watched or I looked in the mirror, I saw a bigger and bigger nose.
And it turned out she had the same thing happen to her with her little nose but of course so my mom knew about my problem and her mom knew about her problem but we never told and we were a bit cold for a while.
Anyway so after I don’t know even how long but it just got really bad so my parents at one point said what was the whole thing, what was the big deal and I said to them that she had called on my nose and so my parents and her parents knew each other and apparently they went and talked about it and it turned out that we both had done the same thing to each other. We are still good friends, I mean she still lives in Europe and I live here and we’re still like if we pick up the phone it’s like nothing has happened and no distance doesn’t matter and all that.
So it’s just this weird thing; don’t let one little thing throw you off . This was in my teenage years and it threw me off for a while, it threw her off for a while. I could have carried this for so long but it’s a silly little thing that is not important because it’s not your soul. Our souls are good, they have good intentions so if something comes up, always talk it out but also talk it out with yourself in the mirror. Have open conversations with yourself in the mirror so that you accept yourself just the way you are.
Luanne: Yeah I love that choice and the nose knows right?
Joyce: The nose is enough and the noses and noses are nose! (laughing)
Luanne: Yeah thank you so much! I love that story and I’m sure with everybody who’s watching this, there’s always somebody that said something to us and we take it not in the way that it’s intended or the way that it’s intended, then we have to deal with that but I love the outcome of that and you’re still great friends after all this time.
So thank you so much Joyce for coming on Answering the Call of Your Purpose. So for those who are watching, going check her out at the artemis.com and you can share, like this video and comment below and it’s just been a true joy, Joyce!
Joyce: Thank you so very much for being here! Thank you for inviting me. It’s been a blessing!
Luanne: You know blessings but better! Thank you!
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